Curse

Loviatar · Oct 18, 2005, 05:38 PM // 17:38

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Originally Posted by Pompeyfan

Not totally correct - your statement should read 'this is the PVE reward for putting in the effore from farming to running to buying the gold off ebay that it takes to EARN the best offered.'

to be honest i didnt even think of that as i was only considering in game effort .....my oopsie

IPlayGuildWars · Oct 18, 2005, 07:30 PM // 19:30

So what this thread was created to do was:

Make everything cheap

Am I correct?

NightStalkerXT · Oct 18, 2005, 08:20 PM // 20:20

So much here I only read the first page and a few posts on the second...but here is my take. FoW Armor should be a long term goal...if you take the 1000 plat needed and divide it by 365 days in a year then all you have to do is make 2.739 plat per day. I have made 5 plat per day just helping Guildies get through areas or just plunking along capping elites. I see so many people leaving stuff on the ground that is reserved for them that if they would just pick everything up they would have a bit of gold. By the way on a weekend, if I can dodge my wife for a fair amount of time, then I have managed 10 plat in one day. And no I do not zone repeatedly. I will kill everything in an area. And I do not waste gold on the chest keys. (I did buy 3 keys once and was sorely disappointed in what dropped).

General Surena · Oct 18, 2005, 08:43 PM // 20:43

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Originally Posted by Sister Rosette

I don't know about you, but I have yet to see a FOW armored character
that uses 1337speak or aggro's everything in sight. Playing for that long
can refine a person as a player. They don't do stupid things as often,
they watch their aggro a little bit better than a '0MF6 I H4V3 T3H DR0K5
4RM0R I PR4WN U' meatshield. It's dedicated armor for dedicated gamers.

Errr, Augury Rock local-chat anyone?

Most bad monks I encountered were actually farming monks who gained their armour (or heavy gold sums) through hardcore farming. Nothing bad about that but stating that it would be a sign of experience or a mark of quality when bashing buttons via a cookie-cutter build is not very wise.

Regarding Fow-armour I do think that it should remain as something rare and quite special. You do not need it to become good or even better.

Jigs · Oct 18, 2005, 09:04 PM // 21:04

I really, really want a Fissure armor but don't have enought time to grind for gold. You can still make your player look cool by trying combinations of different kinds of armor of your profession.

check out my character:

i think it looks cool. the body armor is 15k gladiator's armor and the rest are 1.5k droknars platemail armor dyed all in silver.

I am not sure if it will work w/ other professions but works for a warrior.

save you money for weapons. 1.5k, 15k and fissure armor have all the same stats anyway, weapons does not.

whispering · Oct 18, 2005, 10:19 PM // 22:19

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Originally Posted by Melkor of ZoSo

I read the most recent Fansite Friday article, and agree with everything ANet says. But I have one problem with the way they're going about things:

Fissure Armor is impossible to attain for the average player.

If 75% of us don't even have 20k (According to thier survey), how could ANet, with a clean conscience, make Fissure Armor the price that it is? It would take FAR TOO LONG of a time playing the game to earn enough gold for even one piece of Fissure Armor, let alone a whole set. If one Glob of Ectoplasm plus one Shard of Ecto costs 15k together, plus the 15k for the Forgemaster to make, PLUS the already basic supplies needed to make the armor, wouldn't it make sense to lower the Ecto/Shard requirement per armor piece?

I mean.... I dont even think it's that crazy of an idea just to make the Fissure Armor Requirements look something like this:

- Fissure Chest Piece : 1 Glob of Ectoplasm
1 Obsidian Shard
45 Iron Ingots
20 Bolts of Cloth

I mean really.... The only reason you would want to buy the Fissure armor is for the look, right? You can get the same stats with DROKNAR's armor, for crying out loud. I dont see why ANet would make the requirements for Fissure Armor impossible to attain. (After all, if we all play the way they want us to, without farming, we'd get, what, like 1k a day?). So if you add 15k, per piece of armor, that's roughly 175k for a set of Fissure armor (Which is ALOT of money to work for, for the average player), as oposed to about 80k for Citadel Armor, as oposed to about 15k for Droknars.

Then ANet would just have to make the Obsidian/Ectoplasm drops even more rare, and still have traders sell them for 5k/10k(respectively). So that way, if you do happen to get an Ecto drop, you're 1/10th of the way closer to your fissure armor. And chances are you won't get another drop.

If all the Fissure Armor is good for is it's looks, why would ANet make it impossible to attain? I dont think that an extra 100k for the best looking armor in the game is unreasonable. I DO think, though, having to save up 1000k just to look cool is very unreasonable.

Hilarious, people getting annoyd by a piece of armor they can't get. So the stat's are about the same as other armors in droknars, what's the point of getting it then? Print a screenshot of your character, make a paper doll and use a scissor to cut clothes for it and dress it up anyway you like.... LOL ...if it was easy to get and everybody already had it, anyone wouldn't even bother trying to get it anymore.. you get it? So no coolness left if it was so easy to get, but anyways. If people like to use their character as a barbie doll dressing it up to look pretty for the next prom it's up to them. It's a way for people to spend time, not a very creative way, but probably a way for Arena Net to keep people busy until a part 2 is available.

Banebow · Oct 18, 2005, 10:56 PM // 22:56

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Originally Posted by Mumoto

Banebow: Farming doesn't require skills, if you just follow up some other person's knowledge and have a good functioning team then you can farm as much as you want.

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Originally Posted by Banebow

Farming takes skill? Ha. Ha ha.

Notice my slight sarcasm there

The point is not that farming takes so much skill I cannot do it, the point is it is about as boring as things can get, yet it is the sole way to earn this armor within even a halfway reasonable timeline.

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

if it were for skill it would be a PVP reward item for the best of the best.

And why should PvP get the only rewards for skill? Are glint quests a cakewalk, nevermind who is in your group? Are you perfectly happy when in a group with a l33t sp34k warrior who has no skill, but has farmed griffons for 400 hours and has the fissure armor? Does that warrior really have a claim to the armor, besides of course having an absurde amount of free time?

I believe that it even says on the box, or in the manual, that the game is about skill, not time spent playing. Well, here is the reward for time spent, were is the reward for skill? More experience points? Oh yay.

The rewards for skill exist ONLY in PvP. Plenty of people are happy with that. But guess what? They are PvP players. Some of use play both, and would dearly like to get something more than yet another useless skill point for all the hard work. Obsidian shards or ectoplasms as quest rewards would make my day. Heck, even a gold reward would make me happy, and I do not mean the pitiful 50 gold for some of the ascalon quests.

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Originally Posted by General Surena

Regarding Fow-armour I do think that it should remain as something rare and quite special. You do not need it to become good or even better.

I agree with this point, but why are said special things reserved for only the ultra-rich farmers with loads of free time, and those who get lucky drops? Nevermind the fact that some people just buy the gold off ebay.

Mumoto · Oct 18, 2005, 11:30 PM // 23:30

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Originally Posted by Banebow

Notice my slight sarcasm there

The point is not that farming takes so much skill I cannot do it, the point is it is about as boring as things can get, yet it is the sole way to earn this armor within even a halfway reasonable timeline.

And why should PvP get the only rewards for skill? Are glint quests a cakewalk, nevermind who is in your group? Are you perfectly happy when in a group with a l33t sp34k warrior who has no skill, but has farmed griffons for 400 hours and has the fissure armor? Does that warrior really have a claim to the armor, besides of course having an absurde amount of free time?

I believe that it even says on the box, or in the manual, that the game is about skill, not time spent playing. Well, here is the reward for time spent, were is the reward for skill? More experience points? Oh yay.

The rewards for skill exist ONLY in PvP. Plenty of people are happy with that. But guess what? They are PvP players. Some of use play both, and would dearly like to get something more than yet another useless skill point for all the hard work. Obsidian shards or ectoplasms as quest rewards would make my day. Heck, even a gold reward would make me happy, and I do not mean the pitiful 50 gold for some of the ascalon quests.

I agree with this point, but why are said special things reserved for only the ultra-rich farmers with loads of free time, and those who get lucky drops? Nevermind the fact that some people just buy the gold off ebay.

Dude I've been in lots of farming parties, if you can't farm it means you can't control your own skills!!!!

So learn how to use your available skills and how to perfectly adjust them to the situation to bring out it's full potentional.

I've been with lots of people, lots of idiots that couldn't control their skills or highly praised themselves and got themselves killed, I know that If i'm about to die ... the rest of the party dies or have died already, I'm usually the last one to die.

So if you learn how to use your skills and your weaknesses you know when to run or to heal and eventually resurrect others.

Ofcourse you'll need luck with running away, sometimes it fails thanks to spells that slow you down for example.

Knowing yourself CAN make you win, ofcourse you'll need partymembers that know that too, otherwise it'd be useless.

Melkor of ZoSo · Oct 18, 2005, 11:32 PM // 23:32

I think it's a shame most of you find my situation funny, and think that I don't want to work to get this armor. I garuntee you that MOST of the people with fissure armor are the ones who would get 10 drops a run back in the golden days. It is damn near impossible to get one ecto per run nowadays. I think every person who ventures into UW will get maybe 1 ecto per 2 runs. How are we suposed to store up enough Ectoplasm this way?

Or, how are we suposed to save enough gold to buy the Fissure Armor? The likelyhood of getting a Rare drop that sells for more than 10k is as likely as getting 2 ectos per UW run. What are we going to do, sell all of the crafting materials we salvage?

Or, find a guild who's made it to HoH and ask them to let us in? If someone were to pick this game up just last week, how will they EVER find a decent Guild that will let them in if thier Rank or Fame isn't high enough? So that rules out Sigil/HoH farming, which is where the big money is.

I dare any of you who are flaming me to come up with a strategy on how go get Fissure Armor. And while you're at it, why don't you share with us just how YOU got your Fissure Armor?

My point is:
Saving up Ectoplasm isn't effective.
Saving up Gold isn't effective.

So, for all of you wisemen out there, tell me how it's possible to get Fissure Armor, if I were to start a new account today.

Loviatar · Oct 18, 2005, 11:36 PM // 23:36

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Originally Posted by Banebow

yet it is the sole way to earn this armor within even a halfway reasonable timeline..

and that is where everybody cannot agree.

what is a reasonable length of time.

as for a reasonable time for a top long term item i think 6-9 months at 1-2 hours a day is reasonable for the top item.

if you cant (or wont) do that then take the 15k armor and be happy with it

there are casual people complaining just as sincerely that the 1.5 DROK armor is out of reasonable reach. (i bought 3 sets just to compare how they looked)

more say the 15k armor is completely out of reach. (i dont see much improvement so i have DROK)

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I agree with this point, but why are said special things reserved for only the ultra-rich farmers with loads of free time, and those who get lucky drops? Nevermind the fact that some people just buy the gold off ebay.

HERE TIS

some people will spend an insane time farming anyway and then look for something to spend it on.

thats it ....they will do it anyway....have something in their price range.

Mumoto · Oct 18, 2005, 11:38 PM // 23:38

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Originally Posted by Melkor of ZoSo

I think it's a shame most of you find my situation funny, and think that I don't want to work to get this armor. I garuntee you that MOST of the people with fissure armor are the ones who would get 10 drops a run back in the golden days. It is damn near impossible to get one ecto per run nowadays. I think every person who ventures into UW will get maybe 1 ecto per 2 runs. How are we suposed to store up enough Ectoplasm this way?

Or, how are we suposed to save enough gold to buy the Fissure Armor? The likelyhood of getting a Rare drop that sells for more than 10k is as likely as getting 2 ectos per UW run. What are we going to do, sell all of the crafting materials we salvage?

Or, find a guild who's made it to HoH and ask them to let us in? If someone were to pick this game up just last week, how will they EVER find a decent Guild that will let them in if thier Rank or Fame isn't high enough? So that rules out Sigil/HoH farming, which is where the big money is.

I dare any of you who are flaming me to come up with a strategy on how go get Fissure Armor. And while you're at it, why don't you share with us just how YOU got your Fissure Armor?

My point is:
Saving up Ectoplasm isn't effective.
Saving up Gold isn't effective.

So, for all of you wisemen out there, tell me how it's possible to get Fissure Armor, if I were to start a new account today.

My POINT is ... this is a collectors TYPE OF ARMOR, which means YOU DON'T NEED IT BUT YOU CAN GET IT IF YOU LIKE IT.

Even if you complain, you think they'll change it?

That armor is the thing what keeps alot of players playing, everyone farming to be able to get that armor.

Melkor of ZoSo · Oct 18, 2005, 11:39 PM // 23:39

And another thing, I see people in Ventari's Sell every day buying things for 500k, 900k, 1200k.... I assure you, these people did not make thier fortune within the past month. If someone were to pick this game up today, they'd be at a MUCH greater disadvantage than those people who first picked this game up.

It is, frankly, unfair that all of these multi-millionaires of the game had the opurtunity to make great money, and new players don't.

Melkor of ZoSo · Oct 18, 2005, 11:43 PM // 23:43

Well, Mumoto, they SHOULD change it. People with Fissure Armor now spent far less time working for it than people who are working for it now would have to spend. The ectoplasm drop rate is disgusting in these days.

I know of someone with Fissure Armor on all 4 of thier characters, and 500k at least per player. Do you think they got that armor by spending time? No. That amount is not realisticaly attainable without using some exploit that's been patched/nerfed. Is that fair?

Mumoto · Oct 18, 2005, 11:54 PM // 23:54

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Originally Posted by Melkor of ZoSo

And another thing, I see people in Ventari's Sell every day buying things for 500k, 900k, 1200k.... I assure you, these people did not make thier fortune within the past month. If someone were to pick this game up today, they'd be at a MUCH greater disadvantage than those people who first picked this game up.

It is, frankly, unfair that all of these multi-millionaires of the game had the opurtunity to make great money, and new players don't.

Blablabla ... drugs were legal before and now it's illegal, now I want it to be legal again because it's unfair because the others have been there from the 'start'.

You're just complaining because it's hard to get and takes lots of time, it's not impossible, it's just impossible with your kind of 'willpower'.

You know why FoW armor is super-cool? Because It's VERY EXPENSIVE, if it was like normal armor you wouldn't think it's special then.

Stop blattering around about 'make it cheaper', if you can't work for it then don't aim for it.

Let me tell you this ... average price of 1 green item is 10k
So if you farm and you sell 10 green items for 10k each you'd have 100k
10x100k=1000k

I got about 1-2 Green items per run, it's not impossible to get the items ... you're just lazy to do it.

Banebow · Oct 19, 2005, 12:00 AM // 00:00

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Originally Posted by Mumoto

if you can't farm it means you can't control your own skills so learn what your available skills are and how to perfectly use them so that you can damage / heal / protect or whatever your type of player is.

Did I say I could not farm? I said I found farming uninteristing, that I enjoy doing missions and quests more. In close to 6 months of playing, I have never seen more than 45k in one place at one time. Yes, I spent some on 15k sets for my characters, and yes, I have bought some cheap weapons. But what has been the reward I get for completing the quests that actualy require a group were everyone knows there role, were everyone knew when to kite, when to run, when to heal, and when to res? More experience points.

There is a difference between doing repeated farming runs and playing the game. You do not have to farm to complete the game, in fact, you never have to farm. Unless of course you intend to get some of the more interisting items in the game. Gold crystaline swords? Farm or get lucky. A mursaat hammer with 13>50% or higher and some decent mods? Cheaper, but still pricey. FoW armor? You tell me.

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

thats it ....they will do it anyway....have something in their price range.

Weapons would not change in price, and they are just as large a gold sink as FoW armor. Should shard/ecto rewards get added, FoW armor would still act as a money sink for those who wished to farm, but then players who did not want to farm have an alternative. Two 'runs' to the eternal forgemaster for 4 shards (assuming he gave them) takes at best 3 hours, at worst, 4-5 hours. Griffon farmers make 1.5k in 5-10 minutes, wich means about a shard every half-hour. Farming would still be a more effective way to earn gold, so the only effect this would have is, as I said, a way for non-farmers to earn items. Is that such a bad thing? Should farming be the only way to earn good gold? That is the gist of what I am seeing, that guild wars should be just like WoW and every other MMO, farm or don't get it. Yes, it is not needed. You do not need armor of any kind.

unienaule · Oct 19, 2005, 12:10 AM // 00:10

Here is what I have to say on this issue. I have made over 600k off of farming greens from SF with a full party. Prior to this, I was a very poor person who had to farm TGNW for a week just to get my 15k armor. You want money, you have to work for it, just like anywhere else. Find some other online game, and I can almost guarantee it would take longer to get the "most uber" armor and weapons on there than it would to get FoW armor.

knives · Oct 19, 2005, 12:12 AM // 00:12

FoW armor is not meant for your average player. If you are talking about something being balanced then FoW does the same thing as droknars 1.5k armor, the only thing is that it looks different.

Tell me, would you make, say, BMW's cost the same as any other car? No, because then an average person could go out and buy BMW's, devauluing the whole company. 200k is so easy to get, and no matter how you argue it, you really have no valid points.

Mumoto · Oct 19, 2005, 12:34 AM // 00:34

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Originally Posted by Banebow

Did I say I could not farm? I said I found farming uninteristing, that I enjoy doing missions and quests more. In close to 6 months of playing, I have never seen more than 45k in one place at one time. Yes, I spent some on 15k sets for my characters, and yes, I have bought some cheap weapons. But what has been the reward I get for completing the quests that actualy require a group were everyone knows there role, were everyone knew when to kite, when to run, when to heal, and when to res? More experience points.

There is a difference between doing repeated farming runs and playing the game. You do not have to farm to complete the game, in fact, you never have to farm. Unless of course you intend to get some of the more interisting items in the game. Gold crystaline swords? Farm or get lucky. A mursaat hammer with 13>50% or higher and some decent mods? Cheaper, but still pricey. FoW armor? You tell me.

Weapons would not change in price, and they are just as large a gold sink as FoW armor. Should shard/ecto rewards get added, FoW armor would still act as a money sink for those who wished to farm, but then players who did not want to farm have an alternative. Two 'runs' to the eternal forgemaster for 4 shards (assuming he gave them) takes at best 3 hours, at worst, 4-5 hours. Griffon farmers make 1.5k in 5-10 minutes, wich means about a shard every half-hour. Farming would still be a more effective way to earn gold, so the only effect this would have is, as I said, a way for non-farmers to earn items. Is that such a bad thing? Should farming be the only way to earn good gold? That is the gist of what I am seeing, that guild wars should be just like WoW and every other MMO, farm or don't get it. Yes, it is not needed. You do not need armor of any kind.

Still you don't get it

COLLECTOR'S ARMOR!!!!!!!!

If you have that armor it doesn't mean you finished the game or without it you haven't.

So stfu and finish all quest and missions + bonus and stop complaining about useless crap like this.

What is your next 'Suggestion'; improve droprate... 10x more valuable item drops?

Game is about the Quests + Missions not about getting FoW armor <_<

Shinomori · Oct 19, 2005, 02:19 AM // 02:19

I now have a strange urge to go out and pose my character, steal a picture of someone else's FoW armor, and then Photoshop it on. Then I can say I'm "leet" like the farmers.

Wow, I'm kinda angry today. I don't know why, either.

huh · Oct 19, 2005, 02:19 AM // 02:19

If I chop you (wearing Droknar's armour) with my 6-28, 15% > 50% sickle, do I get a bonus 500 damage done to you?
And if you chop my (non-existent) FoW armour with your 6-28, 15% > 50% spiked axe, do you perhaps do negative damage and heal me instead?

Answer those two questions, and you're good to go.